tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post5652615412429770082..comments2024-03-11T15:46:13.155-04:00Comments on In The Arena: Ruminations About Competition: "The Kid" is "The Man": Griffey Blasts His 600th Home Run--NaturallyDavid Friedmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08444347475303187373noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-85817361075641650432008-06-26T06:52:00.001-04:002008-06-26T06:52:00.001-04:00Reggie:We don't know for sure when Bonds, Clemens ...Reggie:<BR/><BR/>We don't know for sure when Bonds, Clemens and the others started cheating; maybe they had HoF numbers beforehand, maybe not, but to me they ceased being HoFers once they started cheating.<BR/><BR/>I also can't see how the HoF can induct those guys and still leave Rose out. At a minimum, Rose has to go in before any of the steroid cheaters do; his offense is completely separate from his playing career and had nothing to do with the numbers that earned him induction in the first place.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444347475303187373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-32393010117439324262008-06-25T20:12:00.000-04:002008-06-25T20:12:00.000-04:00anymous reggiea matter of principle so you come fr...anymous reggie<BR/><BR/>a matter of principle so you come from the moral side of things. your right they were trying to gain baseball immmortality so your saying you give it to them in a sense to allow them to sit in hall of fame knowing they cheated. <BR/><BR/>a hard point to argue aginst your point but my school of thought of course has been if you was before you should get in they was already hall of famer that wasnt bonds or clemens goal they were trying to be best ever jason giambi was trying to get in hall of fame so was mcgwire and sosa they had no cance at being best ever or among top 5 i think in 98 bonds was ranked 32 all time. he probably steriod free would be top 20. most people if you go off numbers would rank him top 3 with ruth and mays but he chated according to game of shadows. clemens by brian mcnamee even thoguh mcnamee has a checkered i believe him clemens used it was funny how clemens was trying so hard in congress to act like he didnt do it bringing his wife and stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-7964979550292737992008-06-21T04:48:00.001-04:002008-06-21T04:48:00.001-04:00Reggie:Bonds was a great player before steroids bu...Reggie:<BR/><BR/>Bonds was a great player before steroids but the years that he "got so good...you couldn't pitch to him" are precisely the years that he was chemically enhanced, according to the book Game of Shadows.<BR/><BR/>Bonds was not a top five player all-time before he took steroids.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I think that you are missing my larger point. What I am saying is that all of these steroid cheaters should not be voted into the HoF as a matter of principle, regardless of what their pre or post-steroids stats were. I understand that you may disagree with me on that score anyway, but I'm not sure if you are clear on what I am saying. I think that the PED scandal has done such damage to the integrity of the game, to the health of youngsters who idolize these players and to the sanctity of the record book that the players who did this should pay the ultimate price: they were trying to gain baseball immortality and that is precisely what they should be denied.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444347475303187373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-16451916301816174012008-06-20T19:33:00.000-04:002008-06-20T19:33:00.000-04:00anymous reggiebonds got so good during those years...anymous reggie<BR/><BR/>bonds got so good during those years you couldnt pitch to him all the people who took steriods how many of them were as good as barry bonds and as dominant none is the answer. bonds still was better in 2000 than griffey even if he was healthy sosa and mcgwire werent as good as bonds and they used PED overated bonds was great with or without it. griffey was natuaral granted and shuld get credit but bonds was still a lengendary player PED made him a little better still top 5 players all time steriods or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-63487873915583069622008-06-15T00:56:00.000-04:002008-06-15T00:56:00.000-04:00Reggie:Bonds "blew Griffey away" during the years ...Reggie:<BR/><BR/>Bonds "blew Griffey away" during the years that Bonds cheated and Griffey was injured.<BR/><BR/>Steroids and other PEDs not only help a player add power but they aid recovery time; fatigue is a major issue for baseball players (and other athletes). Bonds' performance grew to Ruthian levels at an age when most players' numbers drop.<BR/><BR/>There have been other great players who had a big HR season early in their careers and never matched it, like Reggie Jackson; McGwire's best HR total after '87 was 42 until his numbers "mysteriously" jumped from '96-'99.David Friedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444347475303187373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6812670776373470303.post-31191208997284188342008-06-14T20:23:00.000-04:002008-06-14T20:23:00.000-04:00anymous reggiehe was better than bonds slightly in...anymous reggie<BR/><BR/>he was better than bonds slightly in the 90's he was on pace for 755 then he went down with injuries. i think bonds blew him away from 01-04 bonds but the kid was special player in his prime he was 5 tool all the way can do everything. he was natural thats a plus since bonds and mcgwire wasnt so they say how many home runs do you take off of 73 and 70 7 or 8 they still hit 65 and 62 if you say performance enhancing drugs help them so much what is the percentage is my point. griffey hit 56 natural bonds 46 mgwire 49 or 58 in 97 i dont know when he started useing but he hit 49 in 87 and he was skinny. <BR/><BR/>but yeah griffey is one of the all time great player and could of been better if he didnt get hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com